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Post by gallos_11 on May 17, 2012 20:50:59 GMT
As other members said, I think Development section can handle such stuff...
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Post by Tears of Opa-Opa on May 17, 2012 21:30:38 GMT
Why would you find that repulsive? What meu2 did for me, himself and others is make a game available to me that I wouldn't have been able to play otherwise. It doesn't take away any profit from the developers since they're long gone bankrupt, are dead or retired filthy rich. The games are not commercially available anymore if you take the definition literally... Which game are you talking about? I'll be honest, if I was offered a Smurfs 2 repo tomorrow for $20 I'd probably buy it but it's also not in me to turn around and try and sell it for 100's. I guess I'd just want it so I could play it without spending the big bucks. However, I really would be pissed if I paid like $400 - $600 for Smurfs 2 thinking it was real and found out 6 months down the line that it was a fake. There's really a fine line here and it's interesting to hear some of the views on it. I'm curious where the Black Belt II I just posted falls? It was a commercially available game but not in my country, I own the real version and it's not that rare anyways. It's also not made in a way that would fool anyone, more or less I was looking for a way to expand my laziness and be able to play it without getting out a second system all the time. The art and stuff was a fun bonus plus it's cool to own something meu2 made. For me personally I'd rather have the real version of something but at the same time some stuff is so rare that I would probably settle for a reproduction just to have an example of it. To be more on topic though, I'd like to see more of what people make.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 22:10:50 GMT
I edited my first post with an addition. I hope that everyone understands me now and retract his "No" vote with a new oppinion. I would never support faking rare SMS games for selling them to unknowably people!!!! If someone here understood me wrong - Sorry!! Edit: I´m talking about jewels like these:
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Post by Retrobob on May 18, 2012 5:10:03 GMT
I didn't say that what meu2 had done was repulsive, the opposite in fact. It's when people make repros of Smurfs 2 and sell them, or people fake covers and sell Streets of Rage Classics that's plain wrong.
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Post by meu2 on May 18, 2012 10:12:47 GMT
Hmm, I’m not sure what to say about all this.
Firstly I think we can all agree that making reproductions of existing games and trying to pass them off as the real thing is wrong. This certainly does happen, e.g. the group of recent “refurbished” Tec Toy games, and in eBay auctions it can be very difficult to tell if the item is genuine. I can certainly see how activities that promote this could be viewed as a bad thing. However, the process of making a reproduction cartridge isn’t exactly a secret and existing games are the easiest to reproduce since the artwork already exists. In other words the genie is already out of the bottle.
I could be taking the content of this thread incorrectly, but I feel like I should justify my reproductions. I would like to think it’s already apparent, but I don’t make reproductions to profit from them. For a start they make a poor return on investment for my time! Every reproduction I make, with only one exception, is something that I want to add to my own personal collection. The exception is the Black Belt II reproduction that Tears of Opa-Opa requested. If you look through my game catalogue you will clearly see that everything is a port, translation or unreleased game. I do not openly advertise reproductions for sale, but if somebody is interested in one I am open to trades. I would like to think that this is a mutually beneficial arrangement!
As a collector at heart I prefer to have physical representations of games. This is my primary reason for making reproductions. Excluding the unreleased or translated items I would love to have Japanese and Korean systems, but realistically it’s unlikely I will ever have the budget or ability to source these items. I have the facility to play flashed games, but that’s just not the same thing. In my opinion that’s not really any different to playing them on an emulator. Reproductions are the closest thing to replicating the real experience. As a side note I tend to prefer other peoples reproductions to my own!
Whether or not there should be a dedicated Homebrew & Reproduction section; I’m undecided on that. The development section definitely fits the needs for Homebrew content. Does reproduction content really fit into this category? I’m not sure about that. It certainly doesn’t if the primary goal is for people to share their collection as opposed to content they’re working on. I tend to just post the odd picture/video in the “What you bought” thread, though that may not be entirely appropriate either. The reason I would be inclined to say there isn’t a need for a new section is that I doubt there would be sufficient content to make it worthwhile.
I’m aware this post has been quite long, but I would like to take the opportunity to thank everyone that has shared their kind words about my reproductions. I certainly hope that everybody that I have sent reproductions to are happy with them.
On a final note I would personally love to see more SMS Homebrew products and every effort should be made to foster this process.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 11:56:14 GMT
Thank you Alan. I believe that RetroBob has a negative oppinion on my idea. I tried to explain it better, but it seems that he still doesn´t understand me (If that´s not true, please say it Bob). Reproductions means not only to faking original SMS games. It means too, and this is what I mean, making games from other Sega consoles playable on the Master System. Mark III games, Game Gear ect., as what I posted before here with my picture. I will never have a japanese SMS or something. I have exact 4 consoles at home. SMS, SNES, Mega Drive and a PS2. And that´s more than enough. But when I´m finished with collecting the original SMS releases one day, it´s a good feeling that there are some cool people with their affectionately created repro games. This is a additive chance for a gamer, to experience something new on the SMS. Sure, why not using the technical advancement? What I want to say is, meu2, you don´t need to justify anything. What you do is good, that´s it. Yeah, the bad side effect that people are faking original SMS games is there. But we can´t do anything against it, it´s too known these days. And yes, I have a Smurfs 2 repro, but I use it for playing it again and again, cause it´s a great game and sadly too rare. There aren´t enough copies for everyone. And a reproduction is never worth near than a original, alone the missing manual.. I made an exception. Of course I will try to get a ORIGNAL Mickeys Ultimate Challenge one day and all the other Tec Toy exclusives. Of course I realised that faking such games is a bad thing and what Dojars did on ebay (selling 4 or 5 Smurfs 2 repros for 125€) is unforgivable. A reproduction section wouldn´t be a bad idea. If we make a look on "The Games", there are many threads with member collections. There are often pictures with reproductions to see. I´m interested in what the forum moderators thinking about this poll please. So, I justified myself enough. Everyone knows what I mean now. These were my last words for now. So let´s wait what the voting says in the next days
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Post by Retrobob on May 18, 2012 12:30:33 GMT
You have justified it well.
It's not the idea of having a forum to discuss it that irks me. I just don't like the principle of "muddying the water" - as Tears mentioned, there are hobbies where repros have ruined it (I will draw the comparison of how greedy ebay BINmen/resellers have ruined (for me) the fun and excitement of collecting games).
I would just use the Development forum to talk about it if I were you - it does not need a separate section as Dev is barely used anyway.
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Post by Private Joker on May 18, 2012 14:53:17 GMT
I didn't say that what meu2 had done was repulsive, the opposite in fact. It's when people make repros of Smurfs 2 and sell them, or people fake covers and sell Streets of Rage Classics that's plain wrong. Ok, then I follow your opinion to a tee
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Post by Aypok on May 18, 2012 16:16:36 GMT
Aypok & K1ngArth3r: It would be ok. My oppinion with an own category for it was, that everyone can open a topic with his pictures and infos (if he likes). Similar to "The Games" category. Just create a new thread in the development forum for each game.
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Post by Maxim on May 18, 2012 22:37:37 GMT
As I see it, for non-fakey reproductions, people are generally wanting to create threads to show off their made-up covers, manuals, etc, which is fine (but probably better to make it a thread per person to avoid being spammy, especially if you're selling). The only reason I can see for making a new forum is just because it doesn't easily fall into any of the existing ones' descriptions.
For non-physical homebrew, the development section is appropriate, more so the one on SMS Power which isn't as dead. (But then I would say that.) For fakey reproductions, everyone apparently wants to kill people who make those anyway.
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Post by Stan on May 22, 2012 3:02:23 GMT
Everything that Maxim said.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 14:28:51 GMT
Bad result for this poll.
I know I will pick up some criticisms now, but SMS Power has a special section for homebrews and repros for years now, and it seems that this site here is still not ready for such an substantial progress.
All official SMS releases are known for many years and everyone likes reproduction projects like Sonic Triple Trouble or Solomon´s Key.. I don´t understand what the problem is to show some pictures and talking about their histories.
But this poll has decided.
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Post by Aypok on May 24, 2012 16:05:07 GMT
SMS Power has a special section for homebrews and repros for years now, and it seems that this site here is still not ready for such an substantial progress. ... As already stated, this site does have a forum for that sort of thing.
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Post by Private Joker on May 25, 2012 6:56:45 GMT
I would still like to see people open their own topic in whatever section. Be it Games or Development. I'm a sucker for lists and nice pictures.
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Post by maraakate on May 26, 2012 3:35:33 GMT
I actually would love to get my hands on some repros. Specifically just a cartridge by itself is more than enough for me. But, to the topic at hand I agree with the way Maxim wants to handle it.
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