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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 11:14:08 GMT
Thanks guys, it was a great night
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 14, 2014 13:56:13 GMT
Guys, it was so awesome here. Fireworks everywhere, screaming happy people on the streets, honking cars with german flags.. Yeah it was blinking annoying. Near where i live had they one of those stupid Public Viewing events and on top of that my neighbours went crazy too (Funnily enough, they complained in 2006 and 2010 when i started a big celebration when Italy became World Champion and Italy kicking out Germany at both events, i wonder what happens when i complain about their behaviour last night ) I don't know what pisses me more off, that this totally unlikeable team won or that people who never care about Football suddenly become the biggest "fans" for 5 minutes, combined with them suddenly turning into patriotic germans with their shitty flags on their cars, when otherwise they act like "oooh, i'm german, i can't say i'm proud to be german, there's nothing to be proud of, cry cry". Hypocritical assholes. There's never this much faeces for anything else. Vettel wins the F1 Championship 4 times in a row, where there fireworks? No. The women national football teams wins title after title and nobody cares. It's pathetic.
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Post by englishinvader on Jul 14, 2014 18:31:45 GMT
I think the main reason Germany won this World Cup is because they're the masters at capitalising on other teams' weaknesses and this WC was full of weak and/or declining teams. Holland was my neutral vote and I really thought they might do it this time around, but in the end Dutch flair was no match for German efficiency.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:45:50 GMT
I don't know what pisses me more off, that this totally unlikeable team won or that people who never care about Football suddenly become the biggest "fans" for 5 minutes, combined with them suddenly turning into patriotic germans with their shitty flags on their cars, when otherwise they act like "oooh, i'm german, i can't say i'm proud to be german, there's nothing to be proud of, cry cry". Hypocritical assholes. There's never this much faeces for anything else. Vettel wins the F1 Championship 4 times in a row, where there fireworks? No. The women national football teams wins title after title and nobody cares. It's pathetic. I know what you mean, but don´t forget that soccer is the most popular sport in Germany and Europe in general. Yes many people aren´t proud of their home country Germany for many reasons. Now they have at least one reason to be proud. I personally think that there are more reasons to like our country, but anyway.. I don´t like those ´fans for 5 minutes´ guys too, but as I said, there are enough people who watch the whole Bundesliga season. And most people dislike women´s soccer (because they think it´s a men´s sport, which is dumb^^). Even F1 (or something like Tennis) isn´t that popular compared to soccer, even there are many talented people (like Vettel or Angelique Kerber). I disagree regarded to the point that Germany is an unlikeable team. Of course I accept your opinion, but I really like most of them (with some exceptions). There are many players from other nations who deserve to be disliked.
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Post by Transatlantic Foe on Jul 16, 2014 12:14:47 GMT
As far as professional football goes, the German national team are one of the most likeable. Far less playacting and pretentious style over substance (Mario Goetze's hair aside), just good football.
Vettel winning 4 times in a row probably isn't that big a deal when Schumacher was winning for the best part of 15 years. Last time Germany won the world cup was 1990 - 24 years ago. In 1990, it was 24 years since England won the world cup... knowing how mental the media have been over here since '66, I'm not surprised half of Germany went nuts. I genuinely dread to think that'll happen if England ever win it again!
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Post by englishinvader on Jul 16, 2014 15:00:02 GMT
For me, the main thing that typifies my antipathy towards Germany's WC win is the 7-1 against Brazil. It's not Germany's fault but no semi-final should be that one-sided.
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Post by gallos_11 on Jul 16, 2014 18:41:42 GMT
A bit off-topic, I just heard that people in UK are really angry with Beckham because his sons wore Argentina shirts in the final. I can't believe this is due to Maradona's "Hand of God" goal in '86...
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Post by englishinvader on Jul 16, 2014 20:26:57 GMT
A bit off-topic, I just heard that people in UK are really angry with Beckham because his sons wore Argentina shirts in the final. I can't believe this is due to Maradona's "Hand of God" goal in '86... Personally, I couldn't care less what Beckham's kids wear, but apart from the Hand of God there is the Falklands War and the 98 WC when Beckham got sent off for retaliating against an Argentina player who fouled him. My guess is that it's a cheap publicity stunt on Beckham's part and not a very successful one because I wasn't even aware of it until you brought it up.
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Post by Batman666 on Jul 17, 2014 7:26:52 GMT
I don't think it's a publicity stunt to be honest, I believe his sons are just young and impressionable and probably big Messi fans, their rich father wanting to please them bought them tickets to see Messi play live in the World Cup and they being fans had their Argentina shirts on. Not being aware of the history (and to be honest, why should it really matter?). They are Arsenal fans as well with the same thing happening there that David and his sons are in the crowd during games and his sons wear Arsenal shirts. Last time Germany won the world cup was 1990 - 24 years ago. In 1990, it was 24 years since England won the world cup... knowing how mental the media have been over here since '66, I'm not surprised half of Germany went nuts. I genuinely dread to think that'll happen if England ever win it again! No real need to worry, there is very little chance it will happen during your lifetime, even if you live to be 120
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Post by englishinvader on Jul 17, 2014 8:12:21 GMT
For England to stand a chance of ever winning the World Cup again, there would need to be a complete overhaul of club football in our country with a much stronger emphasis on youth development. There would have to be a blanket ban on foreign imports which would give our own players the chance to develop the skills and experience they need to compete on an international level. As things stand, only the most naturally gifted youth players will get anywhere near the first team of a EPL club and we need to reach the average-good youth players who can be developed into consistent and reliable EPL players if they're given the time and support they need. Most of the time, those players end up languishing in the lower divisions or even non-league if they're unlucky with injuries.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 9:38:56 GMT
(Mario Goetze's hair aside) I hate his hair! A bit off-topic, I just heard that people in UK are really angry with Beckham because his sons wore Argentina shirts in the final. I can't believe this is due to Maradona's "Hand of God" goal in '86... I agree with Batman666 and bet his kids are Messi fans^^ Why not? ShadowAngel crossed her fingers for Argentina and english members here were on Germany´s side - It´s as curious as funny! For England to stand a chance of ever winning the World Cup again, there would need to be a complete overhaul of club football in our country with a much stronger emphasis on youth development. ... Yes, it makes me wonder why so many ´old´ players still play for England. This country has a lot of leagues and with the right search, I am sure it´s relatively easy to refresh the three lions nation!
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Post by Batman666 on Jul 17, 2014 11:03:27 GMT
Euro 2016 will be an interesting test for England seeing as the only key player left from the "2000-generation" by that point will be a 30 year old Rooney. They are already in a generation shift but that will be the first tournament without a Gerrard/Lampard in the midfield. There will be a lot of pressure on Wilshere to fill those shoes. And to a lesser extent but still an important future role to fill by Sturridge in the offense.
And I'm not an England fan (though a big Arsenal fan) but it would be nice for the supporters if England ever got a competent goalkeeper. Not asking for a Neuer (which is a new breed of goalie and one of a kind) but at least a Navas that can be the difference in winning the games.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 17, 2014 13:35:21 GMT
As far as professional football goes, the German national team are one of the most likeable. I don't know how that's possible. I mean you have Miroslav Klose who doesn't give a faeces about Germany. The only reason he became a german was to win a title. As he said himself "I rather play with Germany than with my home country (Poland) since i want to win titles" and i'm sorry but you have to be a pretty big bottom hole to think that way. Also from a personal point of view he's a horrible human being once you know why he was sent away from FC Bayern. Same with Podolski, Boateng, Özil and a ton of players in the past who abandoned their home country, basically became soldiers of fortune, simply for the chance of winning a championship. It's sad and kinda disgusting. Then you have Schweinsteiger who is an arrogant a child conceived out of wedlock. Lahm who is the "Master of bad excuses" and annoys everybody with that (even FC Bayern Fans make fun of him talking bullshit after defeats) And of course there's the whole behind the scenes stuff. I stopped supporting the German team after 2002. The main reason was that i simply hate how big the influence of the "big 3"-Teams (FC Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen) is on the National Team. Players aren't chosen by their quality or what they do for their club but rather if they play for one of the big clubs or are immigrants (so Germany can proudly point at them "look how many foreigner play for Germany) What pissed me off back then was the constant ignorance of Martin Max back then. He scored the most goals in the Bundesliga in 2000 and generally was a really good Striker. Yet he was ignored in favor of Paulo Rink. In 2002, again, Martin Max scored the most goals in the Bundesliga. Was he taken to the World Cup? No. Rudi Völler was pressured into nominating Carsten Janker from FC Bayern, who scored a grand total of ZERO goals in the season. It happened this time again when Marco Reuss got injured before the World Cup. Instead of getting Kevin Volland, a very talented striker, they took Shkodran Mustafi, a Defender. It made no sense, it was basically just another "look at our immigration team"-stunt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 19:35:55 GMT
From the point of view as a player.. If I have the chance to win the World Cup with a great team/strong nation, I probably would prefer to play there instead for my home country. Lionel Messi or C. Ronaldo will never be World Champions maybe, because the rest of their teams is just average with one or two exceptions. Mauro Camoranesi played for Italy (okay, he would have played for Argentina as well but the trainer didn´t chose him). Do you call everyone a b*st*rd who decides against playing for his home country? If you win the title, the people will never forget you. If you never win a cup, you will be forgotten someday. Yes I think it was a great time when Gerd Mueller & co. formed a ´german german´ team (you know what I mean) but the time has changed. Many people will call us nazis now and in the future, even we aren´t these kind of people anymore and our generation never was. That´s our destiny, if we have a team full of german players or 11 players from other nations
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 17, 2014 19:59:15 GMT
Mauro Camoranesi played for Italy (okay, he would have played for Argentina as well but the trainer didn´t chose him). Do you call everyone a b*st*rd who decides against playing for his home country? If you win the title, the people will never forget you. If you never win a cup, you will be forgotten someday. I see a difference between playing for a club (and the nationality doesn't mean anything) and playing for your nation. YOUR nation. Camoranesi is comparable to the thing we have going on here in Germany with "Great Grandfathers" or "the family had a german shepard once, so they're german" leading to a german citizenship. I think it's wrong. The most twisted story has to be Oliver Neuville who was born in the italian part of Switzerland to an italian mother and a father who had no real nation behing him (belgian parents, born in Aachen Germany which is close to the border) and i still wonder how he ended up playing for Germany. Switzerland would've made sense, since he was born there. I also think it's very wrong that you just change your nationality, whenever you please, just to reach "a higher level or get some fancy championship" It's like with Podolski at the 2006 World Cup, he said that he felt bad playing against his nation (Poland), and you could tell by the way he acted when he scored the 1:0, you can see that he wasn't happy at all about it. No real celebration, nothing. It's just wrong. It is the same with Camoranesi. He was born in Argentina, he should play there. It's turning the whole idea of a "national" team into a farce, instead, just promote the FIFA Club World Cup to the status and have teams with players from all over the world compete. And Germany just overdoese it, they make everybody german and usually only for a handful of games or one tournament. Paulo Rink only made 18 games, David Odonkor was hailed as a superstar before the 2006 World Cup, made 16 games and nobody even remembers him. Imagine if everybody is forced to play for their home country. It would lead to a way more interesting fight. I mean if Podolski and Klose played for Poland, that nation would be a whole lot better. Same for Khedira or Özil (and Turkey could need somebody like him, outside of the 2002 blunder (whackiest World Cup ever) the nation hasn't done faeces over the years) Lionel Messi or C. Ronaldo will never be World Champions maybe, because the rest of their teams is just average with one or two exceptions Yet they don't go hunting for ancestors of the past that might make them eligible to play for Spain or Italy. Call me old fashioned but nationality isn't a piece of cloth you can change whenever you please. It's something special.
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