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Post by panama on Nov 11, 2014 16:11:21 GMT
Lot of fans of Master System unfortunately don't know how to play correctly. Today I will give you some important points, I will never change my mind and I know that I'm right ('cause I'm french). 1/ 50Hz or 60Hz?
Lot of people still use 50Hz in 2014, it's a shame, I'm doing nightmare about it every night. 60Hz is the real speed and the original format, 50Hz is ok only for child less than 5 years and really bad gamer (like your grandmother maybe). 60Hz is not fast, it's 50Hz who is slow. 2/ Video exit?
For the best image quality you need to use RGB. Don't use antenna cable or RCA. (RCA is ok for projector 'cause no choice). 3/ SMSI or SMSII?
Apart the fact of the design and that there is less option on SMSII; you need to use a SMSI simply 'cause the colors on tv are more clear and more beautiful than SMSII. Of course you need to keep a SMSII to play Codemaster's games. 4/ Which TV use?
I. Sony PVM (with RGB plug to avoid adaptator). II. Sony Triniton CRT 4/3 III. CRT TV 4/3 of the brands Sony, Philips, Thompson. For the size of the screen it's your choice. On CRT screen there is flat screen and unflat screen, like you prefer, not really important. Absolutely don't use 16/9 screen or flat screen like lcd, plasma, led... Projector are accepted for events, big contest. 5/ Sound?
Of course you need a FM module. If you can plug on your tv a good sound system with possibility to adjust bass and treble it's cool. 6/ Controller, pause button? For the controller nothing is better than the original one. If you want to do a homemade arcade pad full Sanwa it's cool too. Some people like to have pause button on there controller, I think is more funny (and like in the past) to use the pause button of the console; this is not a important detail at all. Resume
To have a perfect system you need: -SMS1 60Hz FM sound RGB. -Sony PVM professional screen with RGB. -Good system of sound. Solution for the perfect SMS1:
-SMS1 Jap (so FM sound, 60Hz, RGB) + adaptator for PAL games or even better: Mark III cartmodding -SMS1 US with RGB and 60Hz + FM module from Australia. -SMS1 from France (so RGB) with switch 50/60Hz + FM module from Australia. Not really hard, but like alway the perfection have a price (FM module and Sony PVM are not really cheap). Cheers.
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Post by lorf on Nov 11, 2014 16:19:23 GMT
You raise some good points but the problem what you aren't taking into account is peoples memories and experiences. For those of us that grew up playing 50hz games it's incredibly jarring to see them sped up from music to visuals in 60hz. In some cases it can spoil the experience completely. I remember playing Mega Man 2 on the NES when I was 8 years old as it was my all time fav game for many years and I could finish it in my sleep yet going to play it on the "better" 60hz version spoiled it. The whole game felt wrong to me. The best solution is to try both and see what suits you.
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Post by Transatlantic Foe on Nov 11, 2014 16:26:29 GMT
Well, and most later games were made to be played on 50 Hz consoles. So speeding up to 60 Hz makes the game and music unnaturally fast.
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Post by panama on Nov 11, 2014 16:40:53 GMT
I can understand memories that you have... But evolution is never bad, when I was a child I was taking a faeces on diapers like most of you guys, do you still do it for memories?
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Post by SpeedStarTMQ on Nov 11, 2014 16:58:36 GMT
I can understand memories that you have... But evolution is never bad, when I was a child I was taking a faeces on diapers like most of you guys, do you still do it for memories? The difference is that you were able to learn to stop crapping your pants, whereas my Master System/Mega Drive CANNOT learn to output a 60htz signal because it is a UK PAL machine. Also, some games are terrible in 60htz. Jurassic Park on the Mega Drive being an example where the fast music sounds unnatural and odd. The perfect way to play retro games? Do it your own way and play like a pro.
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Post by Batman666 on Nov 11, 2014 17:10:23 GMT
Just from the title "real gamer" I knew I would find this questionable. Anytime somebody tries to define something like that the results are never good and always exclusionary. Top it of with elitist insults like childplay or bad grandmother gaming just because somebody prefers to play something a certain way.
Sure, a tutorial in how you might enjoy your SMS the best is not a bad thing, but do it in a inclusive way where you don't end up insulting the reader because you think you are better than them. That elitist behavior doesn't belong in a friendly forum like this.
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Post by panama on Nov 11, 2014 17:15:26 GMT
Unfortunately at the moment I don't have enough money for a good PVM screen (the one I want cost 250-300euro)and a FM module. But I will have a perfect configuration one day for sure. Right now I'm young and I prefer to use my money for traveling. Everyone have there priority...
I don't see why you speak about Megadrive, we are in a 8bit forum.
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Post by panama on Nov 11, 2014 17:18:06 GMT
Purist is more appropriate than ''real gamer''.
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Post by gallos_11 on Nov 11, 2014 19:11:28 GMT
It's nice to share your SMS setup, but enjoyment is something totally subjective!
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Post by korax on Nov 11, 2014 19:59:54 GMT
I can understand memories that you have... But evolution is never bad, when I was a child I was taking a faeces on diapers like most of you guys, do you still do it for memories? No offense but that is one of the weakest arguments I've ever read A large portion of people play and collect Master System games mainly because of the memories they have with the machine, and most people will probably choose to play it as they did back in the day. To me there's no purist or "real gamer" setting, only the one each individual deems right for themselves. There's nothing wrong with enhancing the SMS experience, but if you're looking for the "evolution", as you refer to, you might as well switch to a different gaming platform entirely
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Post by SpeedStarTMQ on Nov 11, 2014 20:11:32 GMT
Unfortunately at the moment I don't have enough money for a good PVM screen (the one I want cost 250-300euro)and a FM module. But I will have a perfect configuration one day for sure. Right now I'm young and I prefer to use my money for traveling. Everyone have there priority... I don't see why you speak about Megadrive, we are in a 8bit forum. A lot of people play Master System games on the Mega Drive (like me), and a lot of people love that console and have discussions about it. Whilst we focus on the Master System here, we do extend to other consoles where relevant too. Also, the reason why I specifically mentioned it was because of that example, which can also extend to various Master System games. I feel this discussion and your replies are against the spirit of this community. I appreciate what you're saying about the perfect purist set-up for the Master System, but it's almost like you're accusing the people who don't play this way of not being fans - whether that's your intention or not.
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Post by panama on Nov 11, 2014 21:36:47 GMT
Yes you right, people coming on forum like that are real fan no? They come on forum to learn new stuff that it was difficult to learn in the 80's & 90's; it's not just people who want to play Alex Kidd again with a real software.
The debate 50/60Hz will always be present here and in the french forum. But for me 50Hz is a error that's it. It was for France 'cause at the time we had no choice 'cause of our electricity system.
When I was a child I was watching english movies in french, now I can't do it, I always choose version original. It's like I'm not watching old movie or old show tv on a 16/9 screen. At the time it was made for 4/3 screen. I have a lot of argument like that more interesting than the diaper one.
Playing Master System game on Megadrive is inconceivable for me. I don't mix 8bit and 16bit.
Evolution is always important guys, I know that in England you still have a queen and apparently Scotland like it but come on guys don't be gay.
Most of the french forum is ok with this tutorial (except for the 50/60Hz of course); they all like the nude girl on my hack for the 2014 World Cup and they never insult my work (GGtoSMS conversion for exemple).
I would like to be gay nice to you guys. But I'm french and I will always do joke to you, funny or not.
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Post by ian on Nov 11, 2014 21:57:16 GMT
The original post is ridiculous. There's no right or wrong way to play correctly. It's all down to individual preference.
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Post by SpeedStarTMQ on Nov 11, 2014 22:42:43 GMT
I'm not sure about the first thing you said, but if you own a 50htz device, other than modding there is nothing you can do to fix playing 50htz games. Many 50htz games are specifically built to cater to the 50htz machine, and thus won't work correctly in 60htz. Some games seem better in 50htz also, if that's what one is already used to. Playing Master System game on Megadrive is inconceivable for me. I don't mix 8bit and 16bit. The Mega Drive was built with the Zilog Z80 CPU to ensure backwards compatibility with Master System games. That's a natural evolution of the Master System, and as you say "evolution is important guys". I know that in England you still have a queen and apparently Scotland like it but come on guys don't be gay. I would like to be gay nice to you guys. But I'm french and I will always do joke to you, funny or not. If it's not funny, then surely it's not a joke?
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Post by panama on Nov 11, 2014 23:01:54 GMT
The problem with Megadrive is that it's impossible for now to use FM sound. But it's will be possible soon with the excellent work of db-electronics. I know it's not emulation, but it's not the original hardware.
I always put 50/60Hz switch on the Master System that I repair, like that I give the choice to the person who buy it. I know that some PAL light phaser game have some bug on 60Hz. Nba Jam have also a little bug in 60Hz.
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