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Post by gallos_11 on Oct 16, 2014 2:08:26 GMT
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Post by Batman666 on Oct 16, 2014 5:14:31 GMT
ShadowAngel: Cornette is awesome gallos_11: Yeah, it's really depressing to read how many people have died from that 80s generation of wrestlers. I remember a while back in the early 2000s, you couldn't go a week without the report of a noteworthy wrestler's early death.
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Post by Batman666 on Oct 16, 2014 12:30:27 GMT
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Post by ShadowAngel on Oct 16, 2014 21:44:31 GMT
Yeah it's quite sad how many wrestlers from back then are dead. Wrestlemania VII is only 23 years old and has a shocking high number of dead people: Texas Tornado, Dino Bravo, The British Bulldog, Paul Bearer, The Ultimate Warrior, Macho Man Randy Savage, Sensational Sherri, Miss Elizabeth, Crush, The Big Boss Man, Mr. Perfect, Earthquake, Road Warrior Hawk, Hercules, commentator Gorilla Monsoon and referee Joey Marella. Wrestlemania VI isn't any better: Andre the Giant, Earthquake, Hercules, Mr. Perfect, Bad News Brown, Sapphire, Miss Elizabeth, Macho Man Randy Savage, Sensational Sherri, Dino Bravo, The Big Boss Man, Rick Rude, The Ultimate Warrior, Gorilla Monsoon. It's also interesting to compare it to NWA/WCW events. Like Starrcade 1985 is a couple years older, features 32 Wrestlers on the 2 shows and 8 further people (Interviewers, Announcers, Referees) and exactly 2 of those 40 are dead: Wahoo McDaniel (died age 63 while waiting for a kidney transplant) and Interviewer/Ex-Wrestler Johnny Weaver (age 72, natural causes). Everybody else is still alive. Or WCW Starrcade 1990: Col. DeKlerk (Rocco Rock), Chris Adams and Referee Randy Anderson. 3 People from 48 people involved! Or WCW Starrcade 1991: Referee Randy Anderson, Big Josh (Matt Osborne, also Doink), Rick Rude, El Gigante (Giant Gonzalez), Mike Graham and Arachnaman (Brian Armstrong). So 6 people and Rick Rude and Matt Osborne are the only ones to die because of steroids and/or drugs. Randy Anderson died from cancer, El Gigante died from diabetes, Brian Armstrong died from undisclosed medical condition and Mike Graham committed suicide (Interestingly, his father, famed wrestler and booker Eddie Graham and Mike's son also committed suicide) And while some WWF people died of other causes (Like Dino Bravo who was killed by the canadian mafia or Earthquake who died from cancer) most of them died either of drugs and steroids and mostly because of a heart attack. I once read that wrestlers in the USA have a death rate 7 times higher than the rest of the population and they are 12 times more likely to die from a heart attack than other americans aged 25 to 44 (including athletes)
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Post by wayeK on Oct 17, 2014 20:39:48 GMT
I probably could listen 24/7 to what Jim Cornette says, he's a blinking wrestling genius and a comedian at the same time with his road stories and his rantings about Vince Russo and others. Cornettes shoots are always spot on...and I'm really impressed with how educated you are in old school pro wres!
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Post by KnightWarrior on Oct 22, 2014 6:01:20 GMT
Anyone wants to see Rock/HHH at Wrestlemania XXXI?
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Post by Batman666 on Oct 22, 2014 13:37:07 GMT
I'm not really interested in the match, would have rather that Rock faced somebody he hasn't faced before. But if that's what it will take to bring Rock back again, sure go ahead. Edit: Yes, I know the irony in the "bring Rock back again" statement seeing as he's been involved some how in the past 4 Wrestlemanias
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Post by ShadowAngel on Oct 23, 2014 1:31:15 GMT
Cornettes shoots are always spot on...and I'm really impressed with how educated you are in old school pro wres! [/quote] Educated Over the past few years my interest just shifted from current wrestling to old wrestling. Since what you see today is just rehashed crap over and over with the big companies desperately trying to be like MMA (and badly failing at that since at least the guys at UFC know how to play the game, whereas wrestlers who are supposed to hate each other happily talk on twitter and facebook together like friends, totaly destroying the immersion) Same is with the matches itself. Today wrestling matches have no build up and don't follow a logical structure. It's actually worse in ROH, Chikara & Co. than it is in WWE (where a ton of moves are forbidden anyway) but really, a wrestling match should follow a logical build up to a climax. I think Hulk Hogan - Andre the Giant from Wrestlemania III is still the prime example of how to build up a match to a huge finish. Hogan tries to body slam Andre, fails a couple times, then Andre beats down Hogan, he comes back and finally with the Hulkamaniacs behind him and him getting his last breath he does the Body Slam and the Silverdome errupts like a volcano. You don't get that today. Today's matches, especially in the indies start out with big moves - and then they don't know where to go from there, usually hoping that some blood will get the crowd interested but even that wears thin quickly (as proven in the Attitude era where blood and breasts were everywhere and it only worked for about a year until viewers grew tired of it) That's also the reason why i thought the last couple Undertaker Wrestlemania matches were complete crap. They all followed the same formula, doesn't matter if it was Edge, Shawn Michaels, Batista, Triple H or CM Punk. It was always the same thing: Brawling, Brawling, Brawling and then Finisher - Kick out, Finisher - Kick out, Finisher - Kick out. It was as if Michael Bay wrote those matches. I still don't understand why people went apeshit over them (except nostalgia kicking in) since it also wasn't dramatic at all. Everbody knew the Undertaker would win those matches since neither Shawn Michaels nor HHH would've gained anything from a win and CM Punk was never seen as the "we have to push him"- franchise of the WWE. Otherwise they wouldn't have botched each and every storyline with him, be it the Nexus thing or the Summer of Punk story they stole from ROH and weren't able to make it even half as good Anyone wants to see Rock/HHH at Wrestlemania XXXI? No, because both guys have shown over the last few years that they just "lost it". HHH is just bad in the ring and Dwayne Johnson shows each and every time that he hasn't been a regular wrestler since about 10 years and he just lost his step (kinda like Sting had a visible "ring rust" at Starrcade 1997 after not appearing in a wrestling match for about 1 1/2 years) I guess that match will be the same "brawl, brawl, brawl, tons of restholds, finisher, finisher, finisher" formula since both can't do much anymore. And what would the WWE gain from that? A bit of nostalgia? Isn't that exactly what was criticized about WCW? That they relied too much on old wrestlers and nostalgia? Both of them should rather face two young and upcoming guys in "passing the torch" matches because that's what the WWE needs: Young guys who are fresh and interesting. Otherwise in 5 years we will still have John Cena at the top with all kinds of nostalgia acts around him and dropped balls in the midcard.
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Post by Batman666 on Oct 28, 2014 1:14:31 GMT
A "fun" fact about Cena vs. Orton last Sunday. It was the 19th time Cena faced Orton in a televised singles match, if you only count PPVs it was their 10th singles PPV match. And yeah, they hyped this one the same way they hyped the last one they had on PPV back in December as being the end of an era sort of match.
Edit: Meltzer claims it was their 9th singles PPV match, so my math could be wrong. Either way, they have faced each other a lot of times.
Oh and their last PPV singles match wasn't even in December, forgot they had another one the month after at Royal Rumble. This feud is so redundant.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Nov 4, 2014 15:26:51 GMT
A "fun" fact about Cena vs. Orton last Sunday. It was the 19th time Cena faced Orton in a televised singles match, if you only count PPVs it was their 10th singles PPV match. And yeah, they hyped this one the same way they hyped the last one they had on PPV back in December as being the end of an era sort of match. Interesting how everybody gets the number of matches wrong. Meltzer is wrong with 9 PPV matches and you're wrong with 19 televised matches too. They faced each other 20 times in singles matches on WWE TV/PPV: They had 10 PPV singles matches: SummerSlam 2007 Unforgiven 2007 No Way Out 2008 SummerSlam 2009 Breaking Point 2009 Hell in a Cell 2009 Bragging Rights 2009 TLC 2013 Royal Rumble 2014 Hell in a Cell 2014 And 10 Matches on Raw. I actually looked up the dates: 13. November 2005 19. February 2006 7. May 2006 18. February 2008 12. May 2008 14. December 2009 13. September 2010 25. October 2010 10. February 2014 22. September 2014 (Then there's also an 11th singles TV match between those too from OVW TV, 16. January 2002 when Cena was still known under the name Prototype) Since November 2005 Cena and Orton were together in the ring 65 more times as opponents or allies in Multi Man and Tag Team Matches and that's TV and PPV matches only. 15 Multi Man matches (Royal Rumble, Fatal Four Ways, Gauntlets and stuff like that) on PPV and 4 on TV and 46 Tag Team Matches on TV Shows. Even if we don't count the 3 Royal Rumbles, it's an astonishing 82 times in 9 years where they faced each other. There are 190 further matches between them on House Shows and international Tours since November 2006. Last month Claudio Castagnoli (Antonio Cesaro) gave an interview where he said 'I'm sick of seeing John Cena against Randy Orton for the 500th time'. I think we all can agree.
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Post by Batman666 on Nov 5, 2014 7:12:12 GMT
lol, 82 times yikes.
Yeah and it looks like Cesaro is paying for that comment seeing as he lost 2 falls clean on the PPV and followed up with more loses since.
Watching RAW nowadays feels like such a chore and I'm still fast forwarding thru half the show. Like Mondays RAW, had good matches but still felt like a drag to get thru. Hate the 3 hours. No wonder they can't get enough people to subscribe to the network when you get 6 hours (not including Total Divas and other recap shows) of televsion for free each week. If you are a casual fan, why would you pay to get EVEN more?
And speaking of the network, fantastic job of screwing up the UK launch that was suppose to happen on Monday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:51:05 GMT
As for Claudio´s comment: If Vince says that the people want Cena vs. Orton, then it is so. Even Vince is wrong, he´s right. And if you don´t agree with his opinions and business strategies, you are out of order. If you do what Vince says, you are his friend. As long as Vince is the big boss, WWE´s program won´t change. We all agree with Claudio, but he made a big mistake sadly.. And we all know that Cena is Vince´s Pu.ssy Edit: Nice censorship guys
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Post by ShadowAngel on Nov 5, 2014 20:42:18 GMT
Watching RAW nowadays feels like such a chore and I'm still fast forwarding thru half the show. Like Mondays RAW, had good matches but still felt like a drag to get thru. Hate the 3 hours. History repeats itself and humanity makes the same mistakes againg and again. WCW Nitro went to 3 hours and went to faeces and lost viewers because of that, because they were never even able to fill 3 hours of program with B-Shows next to it (Thunder, Saturday Night, Worldwide) Raw went down the same path and the show is the same mess Nitro was back then and WWE experiences the same "Ratings/PPV buys" problem WCW faced back then: Keep the ratings high, so we put on PPV caliber matches, keep the PPV audience so we put on....the same faeces we did on Raw - and that doesn't work, actually when you watch the Simpsons movie Homer points that out: "Why pay for something, you can see on TV?" And the WWE Network could actually be the biggest thing ever but instead of presenting all the stuff the WWE owns, they hold things back for DVD/BR releases or because Vince doesn't want to pay for some license costs. The WWE owns the AWA, WCCW, Jim Crockett Promotions/WCW, SMW, ECW, UWF/Mid South, Memphis and a ton of other faeces and they don't put it onto the Network because of license costs and so far the Network is pretty sad overall with some WWE/WCW stuff and generic shows that aren't all that great (Legend House for example)
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Post by Batman666 on Nov 6, 2014 2:48:26 GMT
True
The most frustrating part I've experienced with the network is the fact that the old non-WWF 80s television footage they DO have on there, which is World Class at the moment, they have for some reason skipped episodes (could be a license cost you mentioned). Starts at #43 and ends at episode 71 but there is no 44-45, 49, 59-60, 63, 67-68. So what's the point of having episodic wrestling television if you don't have episodes in a row?
The funniest "conspiracy theory" I've heard about this is that they don't want people to see how bad their current episodic television is in comparison. Though I think the truth is it's not WWE footage, thus not a priority so they don't care about it.
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Post by ian on Nov 6, 2014 16:37:18 GMT
Does anyone think Tyson Kidd might be related to Alex?
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