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Post by nearbythiscafe on Oct 21, 2017 20:02:36 GMT
Guess this never happened then Saturday reading old posts, wild night in πππ
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Post by mrsmith89 on Oct 21, 2017 21:38:23 GMT
Lol π the world is 4.54 billion years old - then again if you believe Noah's ark, you will believe anything π¬π
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Post by Retrobob on Oct 23, 2017 9:12:23 GMT
Lol π the world is 4.54 billion years old - then again if you believe Noah's ark, you will believe anything π¬π ^^^^ Absolutely! I listen the Oh No Ross and Carrie podcast where they go to weird religious and fringe science groups, they recently were involved with an end of the world cult! The group they looked in to pegged it 27th September this year and have now rescheduled it to October when it didn't happen! They've been going for a few years, the older podcasts are definitely worth a listen, especially Mormons and Scientology It's well worth a listen (you'll need to put up with a bit of borish vegan chat every now and then but it's worth it) ohnopodcast.com/
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Post by ShadowAngel on Oct 30, 2017 20:49:20 GMT
Lol π the world is 4.54 billion years old - then again if you believe Noah's ark, you will believe anything π¬π Same as the current CO2 stuff, global warming by ignoring the fact that the same global warming has been happening 1000 and 2000 years ago (at least) and has been a normal occurence but now everybody goes apeshit and thinks the planet is dying and exploding and whatnot unless we buy "eco-friendly" stuff and drive electric cars (the madness has been so insane that i get nasty looks because of my cars, not just looks, i got held up a couple times by some idiots saying how much my car destroys the planet Also since 2012 we "survived" quite a few doomdays, the latest i think was October 15th with David Meade saying Planet X (Nibiru) shall destroy us (or actually an asteroid named Wormwood that travels alongside Nibiru), that came after the September 23rd prophecy of Doom didn't happen. I like all this doom porn, it's entertaining though a bit disturbing that some people actually believe in it
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Post by mrsmith89 on Oct 30, 2017 21:40:57 GMT
I actually find the eco warriors have the worst cars π I'm not quite sure how an electric car is meant to be eco friendly considering the process of producing electric π€·π»ββοΈ
Exactly the world has cooled down and heated up many times over its existence. I have actually seen a group online that believes the world is flat π The world is full of crazies - I suppose that's what makes it fun π
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Post by Retrobob on Nov 13, 2017 17:19:46 GMT
Lol π the world is 4.54 billion years old - then again if you believe Noah's ark, you will believe anything π¬π Same as the current CO2 stuff, global warming by ignoring the fact that the same global warming has been happening 1000 and 2000 years ago (at least) and has been a normal occurence but now everybody goes apeshit and thinks the planet is dying and exploding and whatnot unless we buy "eco-friendly" stuff and drive electric cars (the madness has been so insane that i get nasty looks because of my cars, not just looks, i got held up a couple times by some idiots saying how much my car destroys the planet Also since 2012 we "survived" quite a few doomdays, the latest i think was October 15th with David Meade saying Planet X (Nibiru) shall destroy us (or actually an asteroid named Wormwood that travels alongside Nibiru), that came after the September 23rd prophecy of Doom didn't happen. I like all this doom porn, it's entertaining though a bit disturbing that some people actually believe in it It's not really the same, mankind's affect on CO2 levels since the industrial revolution is very clear.
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Post by mrsmith89 on Nov 13, 2017 20:20:25 GMT
I suppose it depends what you read, most climate change information is on bias websites and you can always find an article to fit your view. Looking at Earths history we definitely arenβt at a peak of CO2. If you think about how active volcanism was compared today. I read a recent study on how the Jurassic period and dinosaurs lived with 5 times more CO2 then present times.
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Post by Retrobob on Nov 14, 2017 10:57:28 GMT
Absolutely, you can find anything you want on the internet.
I trust the scientific method - the overwhelming majority of scientists who study this (i.e. the only ones really in a position to know, i.e. not politicians or oil companies) are clear that human activity is causing climate change, and that this is likely to be problematic for our way of life.
Obviously, if volcanoes were more active now that would be problematic for our way of life (who knows, the Yellowstone volcano might blow and block out the sun)... but that does not excuse the fact that we have caused and continue to drive climate change, and whatever it is... our own ignorance/selfishness/burying heads in the sand/ is preventing us from doing a great deal about it.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Nov 14, 2017 17:43:15 GMT
It's not really the same, mankind's affect on CO2 levels since the industrial revolution is very clear. Not really and i think the best proof about this is that the Ozone Hole is currently at its smallest since 1988. Remember how in the 80's and 90's everybody went apeshit over Chlorofluorocarbon and there was basically put a ban on it because it would negatively influence the Ozone Hole and our climate? So how does "The hole is small now" work with "OMG we put so much nasty greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, we're responsible for everything"? It makes absolutely no sense at all. And how bad is CO2 anyway? Can't be that bad considering everything on this planet emits CO2. Oceans do it in large quantities, Plants do it and Volcanoes blast a ton of it into the atmosphere and considering that alone. Considering the fact that while we have the so called Ring of Fire, we're living in a time where most volcanoes aren't active anymore and a lot of them didn't go off in a very, very, very long time, most of the really big super volcanoes in fact, like Yellowstone. So we can't really measure how much is "a lot of CO2" and what this planet can or can't handle. Just the fact that there is so much disagreement over this shows me that it's crap. Same crap as when scientists said 40 years ago that in the 80's there won't be any oil left. When they said in 30 years we will fight over water because the planet will be dry or other such nonsensical claims. Currently we have two groups of scientists: Those who think the temperatures will go up because of CO2/Greenhouse gasses and those that say we're heading toward an ice age. Personally, i believe the latter group because again, that is exactly what happened 1000 and 2000 years ago. Overall, to me this is simply just another scam (no wonder Al Gore is at the forefront of all this): give people a bad conscience about something and force them to throw out everything they have and buy "eco-friendly" replacements and let them switch from cheap nuclear/coal energy to more expensive water/wind/solar created power (that only leads to flickering lights and short power outtages, at least that's what i'm experiencing here since 2015)
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Post by Retrobob on Nov 17, 2017 14:52:09 GMT
It's not really the same, mankind's affect on CO2 levels since the industrial revolution is very clear. Not really and i think the best proof about this is that the Ozone Hole is currently at its smallest since 1988. Remember how in the 80's and 90's everybody went apeshit over Chlorofluorocarbon and there was basically put a ban on it because it would negatively influence the Ozone Hole and our climate? So how does "The hole is small now" work with "OMG we put so much nasty greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, we're responsible for everything"? It makes absolutely no sense at all. And how bad is CO2 anyway? Can't be that bad considering everything on this planet emits CO2. Oceans do it in large quantities, Plants do it and Volcanoes blast a ton of it into the atmosphere and considering that alone. Considering the fact that while we have the so called Ring of Fire, we're living in a time where most volcanoes aren't active anymore and a lot of them didn't go off in a very, very, very long time, most of the really big super volcanoes in fact, like Yellowstone. So we can't really measure how much is "a lot of CO2" and what this planet can or can't handle. Just the fact that there is so much disagreement over this shows me that it's crap. Same crap as when scientists said 40 years ago that in the 80's there won't be any oil left. When they said in 30 years we will fight over water because the planet will be dry or other such nonsensical claims. Currently we have two groups of scientists: Those who think the temperatures will go up because of CO2/Greenhouse gasses and those that say we're heading toward an ice age. Personally, i believe the latter group because again, that is exactly what happened 1000 and 2000 years ago. Overall, to me this is simply just another scam (no wonder Al Gore is at the forefront of all this): give people a bad conscience about something and force them to throw out everything they have and buy "eco-friendly" replacements and let them switch from cheap nuclear/coal energy to more expensive water/wind/solar created power (that only leads to flickering lights and short power outtages, at least that's what i'm experiencing here since 2015) Have you considered that not using CFCs has helped reduce the 'hole' in the ozone layer from its peak (it is still very much there, ok it's not really a hole, but the analogy is not too bad) - actually it looks like the warming effect is affecting the size of hole. Historic CO2 levels are measured from ice samples so we have a very good idea of how this changes over time. Plants and animals emit CO2 - it's about balance, or to put it another way, the dose (e.g. apple pips contain a substance that turns in to cyanide in your gut, but won't harm you unless you eat a lot of apple pips). We breathe out CO2, plants turn it back in to Oxygen so that we can continue to breath (thank you). We are putting more CO2 in to the ecosystem can it can deal with and this is affecting the temperature of the planet, melting ice, changing weather systems; making the oceans more acidic which again will change that ecosystem. This 'there is so much disagreement' is false and perpetuated by people interested in the status quo for political, religious, whatever reason. Climate change deniers twist the scientific method to their own ends... e.g. 1 scientist gets a result of 2.1, another gets a result of 2.2... they say "Look, scientists do not agree". This is bullshit. Similarly, conspiracy nonsense is childish. We don't know exactly where this will end up but we have a good idea, and it is a fact that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists are in agreement that human activity since the industrial revolution is resulting in climate change... not only predictions, we are seeing it happening.
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Post by Transatlantic Foe on Nov 17, 2017 21:25:34 GMT
The problem is that man's existence, in terms of climate, happens over such a short period of time. Our own data is not accurate enough over a long enough period to truly judge a trend - by the time you have enough data to conclusively prove it, it would have happened. The last 10 years could be an anomaly, a trend, or it could be just the background variance that evens out over time - only, what is a sensible baseline to average over? Given the vast history of Earth's climate, it's probably longer than man's presence. Data is worthless without understanding your baseline and what constitutes a meaningful data point. As a scientist, I question the validity of these (often hysterical) judgements based on year-by-year temperature figures. The scientific community is also not really one to have faith in, having seen my fair share of dodgy academic papers and ego-driven deliberate bias... not to mention what I will politely call outright stupidity (changing your calculation model to fit your data, not using enough data points, error margins that are higher than the measurements themselves).
That's the biggest nonsense about it for me. You can't tell until it's too late, so the debate is focusing on the wrong thing. Well burning fossil fuels might be accelerating climate change, but what you can say for sure is that they'll run out. Surely, given you use oil to make plastics and medicines, it's better to not burn what we have? It's an absolute certainty that we'll run out and that's a great reason to slow down and stop, so we don't run out before we have a viable alternative.
However, worse than any potential climate change is man's very obvious destructive influence on the environment. Habitats are lost in favour of housing, transport links, industry, overfishing, you name it. Many species are in decline and too few people give a toss about it.
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