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Post by Rastanfarian on Nov 25, 2014 4:03:16 GMT
Does anyone know where games without UPC codes are from? I have several games with English only text on both the inserts and manuals. Most are card games, Hang On, Spy vs. Spy, etc. How many games were released without UPC codes?
Also what Euro games were released in Canada?
Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by gallos_11 on Nov 25, 2014 5:07:06 GMT
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Post by Rastanfarian on Feb 3, 2016 17:31:47 GMT
So I threw this question out there about games without UPC codes a while ago. I've come to realize the games in question were Australian releases of Spy vs. Spy, Hang On, etc... I have a WonderBoy English only box and manual without UPC. I am wondering if anyone can confirm that this too is an Australian release? Upon closer inspection I noticed several differences between it and my US w/UPC code version. Front cover US - For one or two players AUS? - For one player  Back cover US - UPC Now there are no limits® Sega of America, Inc. address, 1987 etc. AUS? - Now there are no limits "sm" Sega enterprises Ltd. 1987 made in Japan.  Sorry for the poor pics, any help/info would be appreciated. I don't have a manual for my US version so I can't compare the manuals for any difference. I am going to give both carts/games a quick run and see if there is any difference in gameplay, screenshots, etc. And confirm whether or not the AUS game in question is actually one player only. Thanks for your help! |
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Post by rupert on Feb 3, 2016 17:55:09 GMT
Australian are typically chopped dowm to fit the smaller cases. That one on your pic looks like an early Euro one, could have had all English or Italian manual. Also, others dont have bar codes... www.smspower.org/Scans/WonderBoy-SMS-EU-NoLimits |
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Post by bkk on Feb 3, 2016 21:18:16 GMT
English only without "Sega of America" are early PAL releases from 1986 and the first half of 1987, before they went multi-lingual. They were released in other countries such as Hong Kong and Italy as well as Australia. Manuals are similar to US versions, but without "Sega of America".
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Post by barney on Feb 3, 2016 21:34:34 GMT
There's an old thread about these over on SMSPower which has a bit more info. |
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Post by Rastanfarian on Feb 3, 2016 22:27:35 GMT
Thanks for the info guys! I was checking out the scans over at SMS power, specifically looking into the early release games - pro wrestling, astro warrior/Pit pot, etc....games that I know have a italian and german version. I've realized that I have several of these early english releases. Not just the card games either.
Also noticed that I have one or two that are not scanned there, including the wonderboy. I will take the time to read the thread later tonight. I love the fact that after all these years I'm still learning things about our beloved master system! Surprised by the fact that Sega released the same early games in multiple languages, and that the U.S. and U.K. had "different" versions. Useless fact, most of these early releases that I have came from Hawaii.
One last question...what or who is "First Star"? I have english only and german only cards with that insignia.
Thanks again for the info.
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Post by rupert on Feb 3, 2016 22:56:04 GMT
I forgot that some were reported from Aus. So yes, just seems to be the early first releases from all over.
I have a hand writen list of all games not properly documented that I suspect exist in terms of 'SM', ®, no ® etc, based on release dates. I could easily start checking them off by going through ebay auctions but often the back of the box isnt shown so 'sm' can't be confirmed and the ® games could also have 'now, there are no limits' which is another variation again. My next plan was to take the list with me to games shows/ markets and confirm that way and maybe even purchase some if the price/ condition is right.
However now there seems to be some interest again on the forum about minor variations we could perhaps sort it here?
If any of you have games that are not on SMSPower scans pages then it would be great if you could take the time to scan them and start filling the gaps, it's a great resource. Meanwhile we could try and make a complete and concice list. I'm not sure if one has already been started at some point?
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Post by Rastanfarian on Feb 4, 2016 2:00:45 GMT
If any of you have games that are not on SMSPower scans pages then it would be great if you could take the time to scan them and start filling the gaps, it's a great resource. Meanwhile we could try and make a complete and concice list. I'm not sure if one has already been started at some point? I would be happy to scan what I have and know is missing from SMSpower. I'm rather useless with a computer though...What would be the best/prefered way to submit the scans. I'm not sure I would be able to figure out anything more then emailing the scans to someone or posting the pics here. Edit: I just read through the old thread over at SMSPower that barney provided the link for, and I am left with more questions then answers. Is there a Hang On Card with a Italian Manual? I was under the assumption that only Great Soccer, Hang On, Spy vs. Spy, and maybe a few other card games were released in Australia prior to the Ozisoft released games. Is this not the case? Were there actually early released games (1986/87) "imported" to Australia? Were the Ariolasoft releases only sold in Germany or possibly Italy as well? I'm sure I have other questions and I'm not sure that I really care about the answers to any of them in general, but it is interesting that since that thread was started nearly 10 years ago; we still don't have concrete answers. Again I would be happy to help scan anything I have that is missing as well as help in compiling a definitive list of variants... not that I have any intentions of collecting them myself. rupert, if you want to send me a list of suspected missing games I will look through what I have to see if I can fill some gaps or prove/disprove their existence. Since I lived in Singapore between 1990 and 1993 I may have some odd ball variants that were originally released elsewhere, ie. Australia, Hong Kong, UK. I believe the games I purchased in Hawaii oh so long ago may have just as likely come from Australia as the US. Just a theory anyways. |
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Post by rupert on Feb 4, 2016 6:23:13 GMT
If any of you have games that are not on SMSPower scans pages then it would be great if you could take the time to scan them and start filling the gaps, it's a great resource. Meanwhile we could try and make a complete and concice list. I'm not sure if one has already been started at some point? I would be happy to scan what I have and know is missing from SMSpower. I'm rather useless with a computer though...What would be the best/prefered way to submit the scans. I'm not sure I would be able to figure out anything more then emailing the scans to someone or posting the pics here. I think some of what is said in that old thread is guesswork. |
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Post by barney on Feb 4, 2016 18:14:28 GMT
Is there a Hang On Card with a Italian Manual? I was under the assumption that only Great Soccer, Hang On, Spy vs. Spy, and maybe a few other card games were released in Australia prior to the Ozisoft released games. Is this not the case? Were there actually early released games (1986/87) "imported" to Australia? Were the Ariolasoft releases only sold in Germany or possibly Italy as well? All 10 of the card games were released in this early English format in Australia (and a few pop up in the UK and other countries). In Italy, I have confirmed 9 of the card games, with only Super Tennis still unconfirmed (I think it's likely to exist but still can't even find a photo of it). The covers of the Italian and English cards are identical, with only the manual and the label on the back of the card being localised. As far as I am aware, Ariolasoft games would only have been released in Germany. Things start to get slightly complicated with SM, ®, etc., but I'm aware most people won't be interested in that, so unless anyone really wants to know I'll shut up now. Can you tell I'm a bit obsessed with Sega cards?!  My list here is largely up-to-date; I just need to make a few tweaks and re-upload my photos. |
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Post by Rastanfarian on Feb 4, 2016 18:49:11 GMT
All 10 of the card games were released in this early English format in Australia (and a few pop up in the UK and other countries). In Italy, I have confirmed 9 of the card games, with only Super Tennis still unconfirmed (I think it's likely to exist but still can't even find a photo of it). The covers of the Italian and English cards are identical, with only the manual and the label on the back of the card being localised. As far as I am aware, Ariolasoft games would only have been released in Germany. Things start to get slightly complicated with SM, ®, etc., but I'm aware most people won't be interested in that, so unless anyone really wants to know I'll shut up now. Can you tell I'm a bit obsessed with Sega cards?! My list here is largely up-to-date; I just need to make a few tweaks and re-upload my photos. Yeah I have always referred back to your list, the differences between what you had there and the old thread over at SMSPower is what had me confused. But I will (and all should) recognize you as the authority on cards. Your research has made my collecting easier and more fun, so thank you. I do remember gallos_11 pointed out the broken photo links a little while ago. Hoping to see them updated soon. No rush or pressure on my account. Thanks for the info! |
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Post by barney on Feb 4, 2016 22:25:49 GMT
I'm not an authority, just a geek! Seriously though, I love that other people are interested in this stuff. It's all about preservation - I don't necessarily want to collect all variations, but I'm so interested in the system that I love to learn about where, when and why different versions were released.
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Post by Centrale on Feb 4, 2016 22:29:33 GMT
One last question...what or who is "First Star"? I have english only and german only cards with that insignia. Thanks again for the info. First Star Software was the developer of Spy vs. Spy. But their most famous game is probably Boulder Dash. |
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Post by Rastanfarian on Feb 5, 2016 22:57:19 GMT
I'm not an authority, just a geek! Seriously though, I love that other people are interested in this stuff. It's all about preservation - I don't necessarily want to collect all variations, but I'm so interested in the system that I love to learn about where, when and why different versions were released. You're far too modest! I agree that although I am not interested in collecting all variants, I am curious and enjoy learning the what, where, when and why behind it all. |
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