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Post by justfoundagem on Jul 21, 2014 10:41:10 GMT
Hi All
You may have seen my previous post regarding my copy of Sonic with the US UPC label on the reverse.
I've had many different stories and ways of checking its vailidity etc, but i just need some fairly concrete answers before i pursure the sale of this item any further.
I've been in contact with Paul, from Racketboy.com and he has told me a slightly different way of checking its real, and i wanted to run it past some other people to see if it sounded genuine.
Now, he seems to believe for it to be a genuine NTSC copy of sonic with a genuine UPC label, that the UPC label barcode must match the barcode on the sleeve. Im having trouble with this as i believed the reason for the UPC label, was to cover the exisiting PAL barcode, so to be read by US barcode scanners.
Also, he believes he can run the game on developers software and confirm it that way.
Im not a gamer, i know very little about all of this, so any help would be hugely appreciated. This game has been in my families old loft for at least 12 years, so i know personally, i havent, or anyone in my family tampered with this game or stickers, so i would love to get this verified asap.
Many Thanks
Steve
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Post by korax on Jul 21, 2014 11:10:15 GMT
Being that most PAL games run fine on NTSC, and the underlying barcode for Sonic, which has been covered, refers to the european release, I'm inclined to believe that it's just the european game with an american barcode sticker on the back. I'm not really into the technical aspects, but since the articles I've read on this matter claim that the two games are the same, that the sticker is the only thing "different" and there's been no mention of any other method/element that could indicate the "variation" other than the sticker, I have a hard time seeing what he should be able to confirm via developers software, that could show anything else than it being a PAL game.
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Post by Maxim on Jul 21, 2014 12:06:55 GMT
There is no difference in the box, inlay, manual, cartridge or game contents. Just the sticker.
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Post by flatapex on Jul 21, 2014 12:53:30 GMT
the barcode has to be different otherwise putting it on in the first place would be pointless
this version is a pal copy with a sticker. nothing more, a sticker that anyone with the right code and equipment could fake
running through a developers software will show 'pal cartridge' as they are all pal in origin
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Post by justfoundagem on Jul 21, 2014 13:43:18 GMT
Exactly what i thought.
So why would this guy be telling me this, I looked at racketboy.com and it seems very legit, or has anyone had any dealings with him in the past or know him through the industry?
Thanks
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Post by soera on Jul 21, 2014 14:34:54 GMT
Hi All You may have seen my previous post regarding my copy of Sonic with the US UPC label on the reverse. I've had many different stories and ways of checking its vailidity etc, but i just need some fairly concrete answers before i pursure the sale of this item any further. I've been in contact with Paul, from Racketboy.com and he has told me a slightly different way of checking its real, and i wanted to run it past some other people to see if it sounded genuine. Now, he seems to believe for it to be a genuine NTSC copy of sonic with a genuine UPC label, that the UPC label barcode must match the barcode on the sleeve. Im having trouble with this as i believed the reason for the UPC label, was to cover the existing PAL barcode, so to be read by US barcode scanners. Also, he believes he can run the game on developers software and confirm it that way. Im not a gamer, i know very little about all of this, so any help would be hugely appreciated. This game has been in my families old loft for at least 12 years, so i know personally, i havent, or anyone in my family tampered with this game or stickers, so i would love to get this verified asap. Many Thanks Steve That guy is full of faeces. There is no copy ever that has a matching barcode on the insert. And the game is EXACTLY the same as any other copy from any other region. This is part of the pain in the ass that is associated with the "NTSC US" version of Sonic and why I dismiss the barcode as being required. Its a sticker, nothing more. |
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Post by Maxim on Jul 21, 2014 15:56:01 GMT
There's plenty of nonsense in the world of collectors, especially around rare items. I believe there are variants with the sticker on the inlay, so if you wanted to be "double-plus extra sure" you have an NTSC version, you could swap the inlay from the former to the box of the latter to get two stickers on one. That would be silly, though.
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Post by korax on Jul 21, 2014 16:37:56 GMT
I'd say nevermind that racketboy dude and just go ahead with your business. Since some collectors apparently are willing to spend 100+ bucks on this game because of the sticker, I'd just put it up on eBay and let them have at it, then use the money from there to buy that master system console you wanted with Alex Kidd built in, some games to go along with it and hell, maybe even another copy of Sonic, just without the US barcode  |
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Post by justfoundagem on Jul 21, 2014 17:05:21 GMT
The advice is much appreciated. I know there are dicks out there, but someone who seems legit and knowledgable I wouldn't have imagined. Never mind.
If anyone's want to put together a swap of a console, some awesome games and a bit of cash I'm all ears. Will be going on eBay Saturday!
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Post by flatapex on Jul 21, 2014 19:48:01 GMT
i reckon its just that he knows less than we do, when you see some of the knowledge on here its not surprising, looking through the old threads there is a wealth of knowledge from so many people that know so much, it raises the bar very highly
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Post by brian on Jul 22, 2014 3:56:34 GMT
If you think it's crazy that having a 'Sticker' ups the value, how about the reverse?
'Halloween' on the Atari 2600 was originally released WITH a label and around the crash era when Wizard Video was liquidating stock they skipped the labels, and just used a strip of masking tape with 'Halloween' written in marker on it!!! For some reason this is the more valuable version, I guess because there were less distributed this way.
Now, that is to say, you could have the game WITH label and increase 2 cart's value by peeling off the label, relabeling it with masking tape and a marker, then glue the Halloween label over say an old Combat cart and sell that to some poor fool.
A good reason to never trust "Untested, Sold As Is"
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Post by grantyyid on Jul 23, 2014 17:09:55 GMT
Hi, new to the site and have been lurking recently and reading a few posts with interest.
My question on this topi is exactly how rare are these games with the sticker on?
I recently bought a MS2 withAlex Kidd built in and nothing else. So the first thing I did was buy a few games. Sonic being the first. I paid about £4 . Having reach the original post about the sticker I decided to check my copy. I have exactly the same and it appears to be aged. I'd imagine it likely to be original otherwise why would anybody go to the effort of forging one only to sell it to me for a few pounds.
Have I just lucked out here or are these only rare in the US? Were they also sold like this in the UK?
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Post by flatapex on Jul 23, 2014 17:19:29 GMT
Hi, new to the site and have been lurking recently and reading a few posts with interest. My question on this topi is exactly how rare are these games with the sticker on? I recently bought a MS2 withAlex Kidd built in and nothing else. So the first thing I did was buy a few games. Sonic being the first. I paid about £4 . Having reach the original post about the sticker I decided to check my copy. I have exactly the same and it appears to be aged. I'd imagine it likely to be original otherwise why would anybody go to the effort of forging one only to sell it to me for a few pounds. Have I just lucked out here or are these only rare in the US? Were they also sold like this in the UK? honest answer? its probably just coincidence. think about when you go shooping, everywhere used barcode scanners now, in the early 90s it wasnt like that, and on games barcodes on stickers were placed over barcodes on boxes all the time, usually it was because barcodes varied and the systems were a lot less powerful and a lot more complex than they are now, it made sense to say for example '50000000000001' is sonic 1 '50000000000002' is sonic 2 '50000000000003' is the ninja etc. i bet there will be a million different variations, it could just mean it came from asda, or dixons, or toys r us, or future zone or wherever else sold ms games in the early 90s |
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Post by grantyyid on Jul 23, 2014 17:23:38 GMT
Barcode on mine reads 0 1008607076 7. Are we saying this is not rare?
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Post by flatapex on Jul 23, 2014 17:42:53 GMT
lets just say if thats one of the rare ones i would put lottery numbers on.
if it was bought over here and i would say 99.999% of all surviving master system games were then its not the rare one.
by a realistic estimate you have something like a 5000-1 chance its a rare one
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